Category: Safe Haven
Hmm. I wonder, why, when you are in danger, or are just scared to death, you either scream or yell for help, or if you are alone, why you start praying? I mean, even people who don't believe or pray little does these things, hmm, perhaps its the human nature...
...And I wonder why sometimes, I can't scream... or cry... a lack of adrenaline, perhaps? Or too much so as to not know what to do or feel?
That's a really intersting oint Lou...I'd really like to see what everyone's imput on this is.
People pray when they are about to die,because they are scared they may end up in hell or whatever hell is. They do not know where they are going so they are desperate to end up, in what, for them, seems like the best place...
But, if fear is the true motivation for them praying, then it wouldn't be an honest prayer. So wouldn't they still go to hell anyway?
Not necessarily because we can neither, prove nor disprove, the existence of hell...people will do anything to ease their terror..but as fear stems from the unknown it may not be their immediate drama that frightens them
So would you suggest then, that the idea of "God" in general instills a feeling of peace in people and that's why when in a fearful situation they instinctively turn to that image of peace, instead of doing it out of true belief?
good question. But the belief in god in all it's forms has been around for centries. So as for why people do what they do, I think that really it goes back many years. But the real question is, where does the belief in god come from?
I would say so yes I know a confirmed atheist who became stuck when 1/2 way up Tower Ridge Ben Nevis,he cursed and complained, then as darkness fell and the weather deteriorated, he began to pray like a true christian..but he only did it once..
Lord Voldemort...I think the belief stems from a need in some people to control others and for the controlled to believe in something safe clean and benevolent ...the idea of the christian god fits in to their image of a benign being and a beautiful heaven.The frightening threat of Satan and hell keeps them on the right track while providing a outlet for the dark side of the human race...
perhaps. There are so many different schools of thought, but I can see where yours is going that's for certain.
For some Christianity is as you say, Alex, but for others, like me, for example, Christianity isn't just a religion. Jesus is my best friend, as He is others. I believe God created us this way, so we would turn to Him in a time of need, really put our faith in Him.
Our imotions affect us in different ways, it is so dependent on the situation. I've been in situations, where I am simply unable to feel anything. Because there's been such an imotional mix going on, that there's just to much there to process if you like. I actually wonder if that's like a safety valve, by that, I mean if we felt all those negative imotions at once and at such an intencity, what would that do to a person? So sometimes it's best not to feel anything for a while until you can if that makes any sense at all.
September that's fine I respect your right to believe Iam just fascinated as to why people need this, you don't need to answer or you can pm if you would prefer.How would you cope without your faith....
L.V sometimes if the individual is already traumatised they can pass out due to extreme emotions, then remember nothing about why they became unconscious...it makes perfect sense..and I'd prefer it to feeling everything at once.
Perhaps someday you will see why... or perhaps not. Right now, I really don't know how to explaine... sorry, Alex. But I have been through a depression for the past year, a bad one, my first real one, and um, let's just say I almost committed suicide at one point... but in the process the Lord spoke to me, and I was unable to move... trust me; I definitely wanted to get outa here; and I wouldn't just use Him as an excuse for the reason I didn't actually go. He really did speak to me; He really was there, and I wouldn't be able to live without Him. When people are being jackasses, there He is. When my family has been in a drama recently, there He is. Always there. I can feel Him. My depression is something that, well, the devil wants. The devil wants me to be upset, angry, and turn away from God like I almost did in September of 2004 (part of the symbolization in my username). Now, usually, when I am depressed, I am also to some degree happy or something, and that is because I've been praying that even if I am depressed, I can rejoice in the Lord no matter what. I can feel the devil trying to pull me one direction as I fight with Him with the Lord into another... every... freakin'... day. For me I know He is real just because of things I've seen, learned, experienced, felt. I hope I made sense just now...
hmm, or when you start praying you really want that to stop and well I think thats when you "beg" something, to stop, is when you start praying, I think its because of fear.... but i have been wondering this around for ages.... so yah.
Ohh man I expected this ..and have you had significant proof of the devil's intentions...if this belief system works for you great..however I would need concrete proof that you have been contacted by Satan ..if that had happened, its highly unlikely, that you would be here to talk about it...Louiano its purely because of fear and desperation nothing more..mind you I have been ultimately desperate, if you get my meaning and I have never prayed, because there was absolutely no point...
well deesperation also can lead to anger....
Amen, Juan, I know what you mean; I especially do. Desperation, depression, fear, unknowingness, forlornity, it's all the same and has all lead me to anger and I have to fight it nearly every day.
So Satan is a metaphor for your anger because believe me, if you really had been contacted by the devil, he would not have taken so long to secure your soul...I suggest you read up on Satanic possession before making any more rash statements about fighting with the Devil...
That's not what I meant, Alex. Also to understand you would have to read the Bible and see what I meant, there is a verse somewhere about this...someone told me about it but I don't remember what book it's in so yeah.
I thought you would have been word prefect on that incredible work of fiction...whoever wrote that was either insane or they had the most stunning imagination...Ah but I know exactly what you meant, the explanation was so transparent ..sadly it's exactly what I have come to expect..where would the americans be without the Devil,he is after all the perfect scapegoat, don't you agree...tell me if he really did turn up to play tug of war over your soul ..how long would you be able to repel him..people who have repeated experiences with the supernatural, are not able to cope alone, because their rational mind cannot comprehend what is happening.I will reiterate.You need to do some research on the subject before coming on here and trying unconvincingly to validate your faith...on the basis of wrestling with the devil..1 day he just might oblige you...
No, you don't understand.
I did not say he was trying to possess me, LOL,
but trying to tempt me to be negative and not rejoice in the Lord.
He wants us to be depressed and not happy and bitter.
But hey different opinions and whatever so...peace out.
Ah but you have consistently refused to give me any significant proof of the Devils intentions..and you would certainly know if Auld Nick was giving you a hard time...
Auld Nick? What the?
And, yes, I do know, but you would have to read it in the Bible to understand.
I'll get thoughts, ones that aren't mine,
ohhhh I don't know how to explain it whatever think what you want I'm tired.
I know what I'm talking about and you might not but oh well.
You know, this is very sad. This topic was for people's opinions to be posted, and here we are arguing over each other's opinions. I accept yours; can you accept mine, and we just move on? 'Cause we're prolly preventing people from wanting people to post in here...
I think you need help pal if you told a psychiatrist what you have told me, he might well diagonise you with a psychotic disorder..Thoughts that arent yours.. I ask again can you honestly prove that Auld Nick, is actively putting thoughts in your head, I've never heard anything more delusional in my entire life.
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And it seems very strange that you are unable to explain this delusion adequately, or quote the relevent page of the bible, I would have thought you would be word perfect.Most religious people I'm unlucky enough to know, can quote scripture better than I can quote LOTR!.I will accept your opinion when you give me proof of this association with Satan..in many ways I envy you, the ignorant bugger's been ignoring me for years...
one of my friends and also my pastor said it ws somewhere in the bible..
and i am searching for it..
and i dunno what it is.
otherwise i woulda throwed that at you by now.
whatever!!! give it up!!! i dont care!!! im tired of debating with you i like sharing poetry better.
This is unheard of a religious person backing down, in a discussion concerning the validity of their faith, feck! I think I need to lie down for a while...
Upon thinking about this over night, I remembered a few verses from the book of Matthew Chapter 4 in the Bible that are living proof that Satan tempts man,... even Jesus Himself was tempted by the devil.
By the way... what you think to be a religious person is different than what I am, so think before you speak, buddy. I mm not a psychiatric (spelling?) case, so whatever you want to think, go right ahead. Another thing. There is proof right there; take it or leave it. Like I said I am not one to force scripture down people's throat but you drove me to the point of... well, having to proove it to you since you are stubborn, so if you don't like it, don't push and insult until you get an unsatisfactory answer to yourself anyway. Look my mission here is to try to be the best example I can be and minister to people if they ask a question or if I feel like God is putting it on my heart to do so, but you, you, Alex, are merely looking to have childish debate, pick Christians apart, and whatnot. To tell you the truth, I am sick of it, and I wwant it no more. OK, so you think Christians are crazy; so you think I'm crazy, and nothing I say or pull from the Bible will change your mind. Get over it then. If you think I'm crazy let it be. You don't need to turn it into a stupid childish debate. I am not looking to convert you so don't even pull that; you asked for it.
Hey Goblin, I think you are a good politician, or you have a good understanding of politics, but the details of the religion is different than you think. do you really think that when a profet came to the earth, people believed him directly non-thinking? do you think that they didn't want him to prove if he was a profet or not? of course. so profets had some talents that they could show miracles to people to prove that he is a profet of god. I don't know if really there is a solid miracle in bible, at least when I had read bible I hadn't met. but in my holy book (as you know quite well) there are many solid miracles that this religion is words of god. for instance, here is a part:
"Rome army had been beaten by the persian army on the lowest place on the earth... but don't worry, rome army will beat persians again, between 3 and 9 years... (Mekkea, 622)"
this word was sent in the 622 year, namely there wasn't anything to prove these words, because the technological possibilities of that time wasn't enough to prove that the lake lut is the was the lowest place on the earth. but in recent century sciantists discovered that the place where had been worded in my holy book was the lowest place on the earth (-195 altitude, even two times lowest than netherland) and the only miracle wasn't this, besides it is said that rome army would beat persian again between 3 - 9 years. and really, in 629 rome army bit persian army near to the today's Siria. this may seem simple, but the echonomical circumstances of rome army and rome empirement was very terrible that time. everybody had waited that persians will end the legendary rome empirement. but it wasn't so.
here is another miracle:
"there is something like blind between two seas, neither one nor another one's water don't complicate each other (Medinea 628)"
in 1952 Captain custo, with a lucky accident, fell to the CeberiTarik canal from his board's deck. and noticed that, in the sea, the salt rates were different than each other. and of course naturally in the south place salter and in the north side not. and he was told that this was written in Koran 13 centuries before. and he searched, and became moslim.
I have many miracles with me for this subject, but time is valuable and I have many things to do.
at short, there are miracles sent by god, to make people believe in a religion. if not, already it would be a silly thing because even I can write a book and say that this is a holy book sent by god, but if people wants me to show mirracles I cant, and they don't believe me, do they? so please, first search, don't write according to your mind, because there are so charming things that makes you change your mind. don't regret in the future.
love you people
CB. I thank you for the compliment.However, you are talking to a confirmed atheist here.All I asked for was concrete proof from SS, of her conection with Satan ..and as for your bible as proof ..sorry mate, I just dont believe a word. All you have to go on with any religion,is blind faith as there is absolutely no evidence to the contrary...so spare me the sermon or you and I will fall out.
SS I would re-read that very childish rant and with luck you will see it as just that..You are happier to take the well trodden route chosen by so many here,..that of ignoring advice and disguising your problems with religion..a truly brave and realistic person, would seek professional help.I did. I certainly did not runaway and make ludicrous statements about fighting with Satan every day. And I quote "my depression is something that the devil wants, he wants me to be unhappy and turn away from the lord like I did on September"..No pal that is all the fault of your illness and your preference for living in DENIAL. As I said, the devil is a metaphor for your self hatred.. however as you are so determined to keep running from the truth,he is just a convenient scapegoat..so grow up, stop running away and talking nonsense, and get yourself some decent psychiatric help...
"I respect your beliefs" yeah right! why o you have to keep slamming me and slamming me? you just love it dont you? i wont let you get me down and its hard but you cant win! i believe what i believe strongly and you cant take that away form me or convert me to some athiest. i never sought to convert you so why do you want to convert me! sheesh! goblin you are the most insensitive person ive ever met.
By the way, Goblin, I don't trust shrinks. Hell, I don't even really trust anybody. 'Cept for my family, a few friends, and God. And you don't know half of the Hell I've been through so don't go there. Look Alex I am done. I am sick of arguing with you, sick of you slamming me every time I mention God-- and other people who are Christians, just give it up, nobody dissed your religion so get over it. If you don't like me, or my beliefs, ignore me if you know what I'm going to post about, sheez. Enda story. OK, can some different people post in here? 'Cause really, this is a very interesting question Juan asked, and I'd like to see more feedback other than people arguing with me, AHEM, because I dared state my opinion where he could read it.
hmm, now it turns that goblin wants to botther not only lawlord because he left, but botthering people beliefs is not enough for you? dude, seek profesional help before reading others posts, and well as for this post, left move on, shall we? thank you.
Louiano, back to your original question. I found myself once right in the midst of a swarm of bees and terrified to no end was I. I was like one-half a mile from anyone as I was out for a morning hike. Scared I was to no end. I am algeric to bees as well. What did I do? Well, I screamed and took off running down an old dirt motorcycle trail. Anyone I have talked to tells me I should not have ran but I think in a dangerous situation there is an urge to take flight. In between the screems. I screemed like three times and each time stopping and oh! all the bees!!! Yikes!!! and then took off running again. When I got back to where my family was I was stuttering so bad and it took some time for them to realize what I was trying to tell them. Mom checked me out and Thankfully NO bee stings. Did I pray in the midst of it all, well somewhere way deep within myself, inside......yes.
I did and thanks to that I'm fine ...
my fellow, I respect people's consciency decisions, but at the same time I have to say that to be atheist means to prefer not to think creation of human and reasons of our existances. but you see, the animals does the same thing, they don't think what they do or what their end will be. but unlikely them, you have a brain, and you chose atheism because nobody had showed you something that you can accept. firstly, before choosing the atheism, have you examined three real religions throughly? no, because you didn't need it, because humans structure doesn't allow sometimes to choose harder one, yes I confess I examined six religion before choosing islam, and if I haven't met the miracles in koran I would be an atheist too. but I read so wonderful things that that make me change my mind. and why didn't I choose the christianity? because I couldn't find it enough to be my religion. and you just know christianity because all around of you is christian, and you find hard or silly it. but you don't look for another choice, you feel like being in a dilema, to choose christianity or nothing. I don't want to make you bored, just these are the things I think upon atheism and so on. and I know all beliefs of atheism, from existance to suicide terms. so you can't cheet me very easy, and already I don't say that you will try to cheet me. the second one is, probably you are a communist and so you feel like being atheist like all communists. but I'm a socialist, and don't think to be a atheist. and I recommend you to start examine the religions just a moment ago, you don't have anything to lose, but you may have a lot of thing to gain.
Dont you presume anything about me pal that is arrogant in the extreme and you are quite wrong,as for animals being unable to reason I cannot agree..they have shown every sign of being intelligent and sentient it is ludicrous to suggest otherwise...Yes here we are you are, trying to convert me, this was bound to happen..your remind me of the Hitler Youth who recruited innocent children into the evils of Naziism.You simply cannot abide anyone who is on the outside,and happy to live their life, without the crutch of religion ..I respect your weak misguided need to belief ..so you should respect my right to think for myself...
of course you are right for yourself, but the last thing I want to say and I won't say again anything about it, I want to ask you, is there God? you will say no. and I will say do you have a plane? you will say again no. as an atheist, in fact you confirm the existance of god because God created the absence. if there is an absence, it is usual to be an existance for it. and so, if you say god is absent, it means god is existance, and the meaning blankness of the word is filling with this word : absent had been created by god.
so I won't bore you again with these, if you suppose this is something borring.
I hug you all.
I dont believe in any religion they are the cause of 90% of the wars and attrocities on this accursed planet .....
You bored me some time ago pal, you fascist religious storm troopers invariably do...
you say me fashist? please take back your word because in my blood there is no even a drope of fashism. I'm a socialist leftist person. and if you think the only leftist idea is communism, this is not else from an obsession. I'm sure you don't think so and take back your word. I'm a socialist person and I'm into world events very much, and I'm against all wars and something like that, and to say that wars are because of religions, means to blame god. and God wouldn't want people to kill each other. I wonder in which holy book god says that people should kill themselves and anothers? that's just because of the people, who has a dirty mind with money and richness. all the problem is this.
hmm, sooo, cg, well gladd that nothing happened to you.
YIIIKES Connie! Dude I've been in that situation; like there was this wasp on my shirt...and I couldn't move...and all my friends stay still...and I like please god dont let it sting me lol!!!
I remember a time when Yes, one wasp would have been the bother to me. It is just that in this situation I had WALKED RIGHT SMACK DAB INTO AN ENTIRE NEST OF BEES!! I had an entire swarm on me. No joke. There were literally hundreds of bees on me, around me.. and chasing me. And here I took off running for the freight was so great. Absolutely terrified. I ran because I did not know better and with the urge within that screemed out from within to get away from the "present danger" not realizing what was on me and following me would continue to do so. I realized that even as I screemed out that no one could hear me given the location I was in. In a wilderness with no one for at least one-half mile. Did the screems come? Yes! From deep terror within... in the midst of the outward screems were the inner quiet thots of prayer... Life Flows on. Connie
Good topic Louiano. You brought up a verry good question. I can rememver many times when I had been stung by a bee, or when a big earthquake, I would scream and call on God. But now tha I have gotten to know Him better, I have learned to trust in Him more and more. Just like Mel was saying before, Jesus is my verry best friend, and nothing in this world, or else where would ever take my deep relationship away. I love God more than I can ever express in words. I am willing to share my testimony to those who want to hear it. Just PM me if you are wanting to hear my story.
God bless you all.
why do you arague about if god exists,its not a matter of if he exist or not its what you believe in what matters,
and what you do in your life not what other people say,,,,,,,lol......